Vote against this campaign

[Drift]

As above.
Its BBC site register and vote, let your feelings be heard, but keep it civil, we dont want to be seen as raving louts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/G1604
Ste

[fuzion]

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[Trugga]

That's an old one - see here (It's an interesting read).

Also, here

Lawrence

[Drift]

Saw it on CRAG then on difflock, same guy posted on both.
Ste

[fuzion]

Hi Lawrence

That first one makes for very good reading.

The comments obliterate the argument

[gotafrontera]

owww she has updated with

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/ ... ad=3682444

[fuzion]

Interesting, Luke.

an infomed responce should be provided, she is a politician after all.

i had some answers for her, but i witheld.

[gotafrontera]

hehe funny you should say that cos i chose to umm bite my toung as it was

but i do feel a reply just stating a link to GLASS and possiby other related sites that show how responsable us evil 4x4 owners actually are.

[Drift]

Ermm doesnt she understand that footusers have 100% of tracks and other assosiated roads to walk, cycle ride on.
We have 4% of them to drive on.
Maths , errosion, work it out.
Your the worst, just look at Kinder Scout , last time a 4x4 went up there was in the 1950, because its too errodes by walkers, there are restricions now for walkers.
Do we hear them shouting about that... noooo

Ramblers Assotiation wed site slate 4x4 big time.
But double standards prevail, when they say , about errosion by walkers doesnt mean they should be banned or closed for times of year, just be more resposable in your tracks.
Complete round things,
They have the same responsibilities as 4x4 .
Lets show them responsibility.
Ste

[Trugga]

Just a couple of pointers:

1. She is not (aparently) a member of parliment.
2. Motorised vehicles are now left (since the NERC Act) with about 2% of the unsurface highways network.

Lawrence

[cyb]

I'm going to post this up once I get an verification email from the bbc
any 'usueful' comments about any part appreciated

I’m sorry Angela but you say 4x4 drivers want more of the countryside and this is wrong to the point of lying. Off-roaders just want to be able to drive the by-ways and Boats already there, or rather we’re there as increasingly due to the pressure of people like yourselves the old green roads of this country are slowly disappearing.
I’m not a 4x4 owner nor do I belong to any groups, but I used to.
In my time I often saw the very people you say do no damage doing just that. Stone walls ripped down by ramblers, litter and damage left by cyclists, dog walkers who don’t give a monkeys where their dog runs what it digs up or what animals it chases.
I’ve seen ‘walkers’ dogs let lose in SSI areas, god only knows what damage was being done to the plants (did you know dog poo can ruin a SSI area due to the extra nutrients deposited).
And as for your comment “do that and then park and walk or cycle’ have you ever you ever noticed that the ends of many lanes suffer damage caused by parked cars of walkers, cyclist and even horse boxes?

Tell me have you ever been on a ‘green lane repair day’?
Many local 4x4 clubs organised days where they will cutback foliage, repair drainage, remove fly tipping litter etc –no? (you might like to look at the GLASS web site for a local green lane day http://www.glass-uk.org/ and join in).

Have you ever known walkers clubs to organise days like this?

Have you thought about the many lanes that if not for the 4x4 clubs would soon be overgrown and unusable by many other groups?

Local councils would rather close lanes off, which used to be known as ‘stopping up’, rather than repair them, it’s cheaper.
Once the 4x4 groups are no longer able to drive these lanes many of the old green roads they will be lost forever to you me and our children.
Perhaps we should look at just how many miles of by-ways there are that 4x4’s can legally drive and how many miles of green lanes that are now lost forever, yes forever, due to the small mined actions of others.

[Drift]

Well said
Ste

[cyb]

just been reading some of the replys to her earlier thread, poor girl I don't think she knew what she was getting her self into.
But keep up the good work guys we need to keep on top of these people

[Drift]

With a responce like that I wonder if the BBC will take note
Ste

[Red Oktober]

doubt it

sorry to be pessamistic
but the bbc have got there fingers stuck so far up there own backsides
they would know wether they were farting or scatching there noses




sorry rant over

[Trugga]

Just a quick point - driving green lanes is not "off-roading", as indeed, these green lanes are roads - it's just that they have never been tarmac'd or concreted over.

Off-road is just that; off the road, perhaps in a field, a quarry or on forestry commision tracks (that are not roads maintained by the local/county council).

It is quite common for those that don't know (especially the BBC and other media) to refer to "off-roaders" and "ileagal use" in the same sentance, refering perhaps to unlicenced trials bikes being driven off the road and stolen vehicles being dumped off the road or joy ridden on common land - subconciously, the public is being brain washed into associating "off-roaders" with illegal activity.

Just my two penneth.

Lawrence