Can anyone tell me what a RUPP is

[ukfrontera20]

Hi

On the link below

http://vamp.idlers.org/~jaffa/hertfordshire.htm

Bottom of page, what does RUPP mean and can I drive it !

Thanks !

[john (smifffy)]

rupp

is a road used as a public path


the site says its fine for 4x4 so it must be drivable

[Turbochops]

As far as im aware all RUPP's have been downgraded to restricted byways by order of the Countryside and rights of way act which came into force in may last year In essence this means its illegal to drive motorised vechicles on them unless it is for access purposes.

Sorry to put a dampner on your find

[Drift]

Here is a guide to abbreviations

NERC - Natural Environment & Rural Communities Bill
BOAT - Byway open to all traffic
ORPA - Other Route with Public Access
UUCR - Unsurfaced Unclassified County road
RUPP - Road used as public path
RB - Restricted byway
RT - Road traffic
FP - foot path
BW - Bridle Way
CROW - Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000
MPV - Mechanically Propelled Vehicle
GLASS - green lanes association
LoS - List Of Streets
DM(S) - Definitive Map (Statment)
TRO - Traffic restriction order
CRAG - Countryside Recreational Access Group

[fuzion]

Thats a very useful post, Ste

[Drift]

Why thank you Mat

[cyb]

As far as im aware all RUPP's have been downgraded to restricted byways by order of the Countryside and rights of way act which came into force in may last year In essence this means its illegal to drive motorised vechicles on them unless it is for access purposes.

Sorry to put a dampner on your find

almost correct Turbo, Rupps were really lost to us a few years back when Tim Stevens went to court over a rupp and lost the case, although most 4x4 owners carried on driving them as it wasn't really clear if there was a penalty or fine for doing so. Not something I would recommend as, like you say, since the rights of way act as its kinda made it final

[Turbochops]

Intresting cyb, i didnt know about the court case. Who took him to court? Local residents?

[rangaKoo]

BOAT - Byway open to all traffic
ORPA - Other Route with Public Access
UUCR - Unsurfaced Unclassified County road
RUPP - Road used as public path
RB - Restricted byway
RT - Road traffic
FP - foot path
BW - Bridle Way

The one two of these that can be legally driven in so much as "green laning" goes are:

UCR (or sometimes called ORPA's or White Roads)
BYWAY (or BOAT's)

That's what's left to us now.

And as said on another post about this, the ORPA is shown as Green dots on the Explorer map, and Red dots on the Landranger map.

BOAT's are shown as Green crosses on the Explorer and Red crosses on the Landranger.



Hope it helps a little.

[rangaKoo]

although most 4x4 owners carried on driving them as it wasn't really clear if there was a penalty or fine for doing so. Not something I would recommend as, like you say, since the rights of way act as its kinda made it final

Thought I'd pop my 2 pence worth in this one as well.

Section 59 of the PRA (Police Reform Act 2002) covers this one quite well.

CLICKY

Seizure of motor vehicles

59 Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which-



(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and



(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,

he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are-



(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;



(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;



(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;



(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless-



(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and



(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if-



(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;



(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;



(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or



(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

I've snipped a little bit of that out cos it was waaaaaaaaay too long!!! imagine having to remember all that crap! gawd.

Quite sad really..
But I suppose it does keep some avid non complient type 4x4'ers in check.. the thought of losing your truck is a sobering one!

Hope it helps..

Si

[Drift]

If in doubt dont drive it, check with the local Rights of Way Officer

[rangaKoo]

Very simply put.. I love it



(AND it's on topic, hahah)

[Drift]

Very simply put.. I love it



(AND it's on topic, hahah)

Awww tar

I have my moments

[bobbinsjob]

I don't know if it's just in hertfordshire but most of the BOATS are marked with a red arrow on a post, infact they go like this:

RED Arrow = Byway open to all traffic (BOAT)
BLACK Arrow = RUPP
BLUE Arrow = Public bridleway
YELLOW Arrow = Public footpath

As i found out today, most of the RUPP's have been gated but just far enough down the lane to make it a bitch to reverse out again

Hope this helps

[Richard Sugden]

One other point worth making about RUPPs is this.

As already pointed out in this thread the Countryside & Rights of Way Act 2000 reclassified all remaining RUPPs as restricted Byways (although this didn't actually come into force until last year). Restricted Byways do not have rights for mechanically propelled vehicles.

However this legislation also did something else. It ammended s34 of the Road Traffic Act 88 to include the new offence of "using a motor vehicle on a Restricted Byway without lawful authority"!

So it's not just that you no longer have a specific right to use a RUPP (now Restricted Byway remember) but to do so is a specific criminal offence (and thats before you consider the implications of the Police Reform Act mentioned above).

Its your choice of course but that might be something worth considering before you drive far enough down one to find out that it's got a gate!

Cheers

Richard

[bobbinsjob]

One other point worth making about RUPPs is this.

As already pointed out in this thread the Countryside & Rights of Way Act 2000 reclassified all remaining RUPPs as restricted Byways (although this didn't actually come into force until last year). Restricted Byways do not have rights for mechanically propelled vehicles.

However this legislation also did something else. It ammended s34 of the Road Traffic Act 88 to include the new offence of "using a motor vehicle on a Restricted Byway without lawful authority"!

So it's not just that you no longer have a specific right to use a RUPP (now Restricted Byway remember) but to do so is a specific criminal offence (and thats before you consider the implications of the Police Reform Act mentioned above).

Its your choice of course but that might be something worth considering before you drive far enough down one to find out that it's got a gate!

Cheers

Richard

Point taken I know ignorence is no defence but it's the only one I have. Virgin laner and will get on an organised trip before i go again. This may also gain me a bit of experience on how to use the box properly and not cook my clutch.

A lesson learned by someone too eager to get muddy...Sorry!!

[Drift]

We all had to learn hope the clutch is ok