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What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby yaki on Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:19 pm

Was at a local P&P site on the weekend, nothing new there and have been there loads of times. Was with a group of lads I normally go with and they all drive LR's of various sorts. They are pretty impressed with where the Frontera goes (and they can't :wink: ) so I let a few of them drive it unaccompanied.

While driving home I was pretty sure the new steering idler I fitted the other week was bent as the steering wheel wasn't in its usual straight ahead position but other than that it was fine. Imagine my surprise tonight when I put it over the pit to find something missing and some damage to the wheel rim :roll:

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Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby gregster on Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:34 am

Blimey...seems to be a driveshalf missing altogether!
Check out the index thread below where pics/reviews from all our past meets can be found!!!!
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She asked me what I'd most like to do to her body...
Apparently "Identify it" is not the correct answer!



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Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby yaki on Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:12 am

Driveshaft has escaped :!: Looks like the cup on the CV joint has sheared off :shock:

They are Milner CV joints though of unknown provenance, I replaced both on the BRB a few years back after breaking a factory one and then put them on the SWB when fitting the Trooper front axle

This was the previous carnage

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Front Winch & Bumper
MR2 Seats
+4" Springs
+4" Rough Country Shocks
Calmini Front Arms
Trooper Front Axle
Front Aussie Locker
Rear Trooper Axle
Rear Aussie Locker
35mm Diff Drop
12mm Ball Joint Spacers
33" Tyres
80mm Body Lift
Extended Axle Breathers
Aisin Manual Hubs
Rear Recovery Bumper
Braided Brake Hoses
EGR System Removed
DeCat
Fuel Tank Lift
Front & Rear Anti-Roll bar removed
Roof Console
EGT/Boost Gauge and Inclinometer in Centre Console
Region: South Wales



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby RatCav on Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:55 pm

I know you abuse them .. but still!
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Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby gregster on Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:20 pm

Milners poop....there CV's lasted approx 3 mins from when I engaged 4wd in my old landcruiser! LOL

There solution was for me to buy two more, and send the damaged ones back, whereupon they would then send them off to their supplier for analysis, and then if they confirmed they were a manuafacturing defect, then Milners would refund me the 2nd set I bought...Timescale "unknown" in their own words...
The quizzed me about taking it offroad, I argued a TLC should be fine with that..thats what its designed for, and then they started ranting about difflocks, which were a factory fitted option on my TLC with I argued was irrelevant...
(I did forget to mension the standard 265 75 15 tyres had been replaced wih 38.5x16x15's on trail ready beadlocks, but on the other hand they didnt ask about what tyres I was running...)
My credit card company got my money back of milners, and I bought some CV's of awesomeness from Marlin Crawler in the states that lasted me for years...
Check out the index thread below where pics/reviews from all our past meets can be found!!!!
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Looks like I'm in trouble with the Mrs's again...
She asked me what I'd most like to do to her body...
Apparently "Identify it" is not the correct answer!



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Breaking...
2.4i and 2.3td
2.0i C20ne and x20se x 4
2.8tdi x2
2.2i A
2.2i B LWB x3
x22dth B dti lwb x3
y22dth B dti lwb x5
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Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby yaki on Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:10 am

Ratcav

It does get lots of off road action, probably far more than Vauxhall intended but with the lift I'm running doesn't help, Abused, depends on your definition I do try to be sympathetic to the mechanicals but I am pushing past its limits at times so you expect some carnage :lol:

Greg: think I would have to agree with you on the quality, managed 3 years so not too bad but the nature of the failure surprised me
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Front Winch & Bumper
MR2 Seats
+4" Springs
+4" Rough Country Shocks
Calmini Front Arms
Trooper Front Axle
Front Aussie Locker
Rear Trooper Axle
Rear Aussie Locker
35mm Diff Drop
12mm Ball Joint Spacers
33" Tyres
80mm Body Lift
Extended Axle Breathers
Aisin Manual Hubs
Rear Recovery Bumper
Braided Brake Hoses
EGR System Removed
DeCat
Fuel Tank Lift
Front & Rear Anti-Roll bar removed
Roof Console
EGT/Boost Gauge and Inclinometer in Centre Console
Region: South Wales



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby RatCav on Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:15 am

How many pictures do you have of your truck with both front wheels point inwards ;)

Milners have started stocking genuine Isuzu stuff like hub needle bearings. However .. how long that will last I don't know, and stuff like that is just as cheap from Isuzu themselves, and you don't have to pay delivery. Also the number of things that Milners supply which just don't fit and/or break in 3 months I just don't take the risk. False economy.
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Hi-roof modification.
EGR valves and birds nest of vacuum pipes removed.
Front Manual Locking Hubs.
Rear Limited Slip Differential.
Yota Surf steels, with custom paintjob. (cheers Gregster)
33x12.5" R15 General Grabber AT 2's.
+2" suspension lift.
+3" body lift.
Cat 1 Thatcham approved alarm.
Irmscher wheel arch flares.
Full body restoration/respray. (cheers Gregster again!)
Region: North West



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby yaki on Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:00 pm

Mmm, very good point although to be fair while there are quite a few pictures of the wheels cross eyed I have only done it twice, once in Bala at the FOG annual and once at Ty Rhiw farm :oops:

The steering idler however is another issue, think I've done 4 or 5 five now, original ones are best, none of the aftermarket ones can withstand serious off road action :roll:
Soon to be without a Frontera after 10 years of owning one :-(
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Modifications: A few

Front Winch & Bumper
MR2 Seats
+4" Springs
+4" Rough Country Shocks
Calmini Front Arms
Trooper Front Axle
Front Aussie Locker
Rear Trooper Axle
Rear Aussie Locker
35mm Diff Drop
12mm Ball Joint Spacers
33" Tyres
80mm Body Lift
Extended Axle Breathers
Aisin Manual Hubs
Rear Recovery Bumper
Braided Brake Hoses
EGR System Removed
DeCat
Fuel Tank Lift
Front & Rear Anti-Roll bar removed
Roof Console
EGT/Boost Gauge and Inclinometer in Centre Console
Region: South Wales



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby gregster on Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:27 pm

Strip a LHD steering box out and use that instead of an idler...that should be stronger...I toyed with running two steering boxes to give more steering power when front is locked up, but figured it would just destroy the track rods so didnt pursue it any further...
Check out the index thread below where pics/reviews from all our past meets can be found!!!!
click here for the SE Events Index/links Thread...see all the reviews and whats coming up soon!

Looks like I'm in trouble with the Mrs's again...
She asked me what I'd most like to do to her body...
Apparently "Identify it" is not the correct answer!



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Model: 2.4 5dr
Registration Year: 1997/P
Vehicle Name: FRONTY4x4SPARES
Modifications: Drive a 2.2dti olympus, 2.8 lwb and 2.0i sport.
Breaking...
2.4i and 2.3td
2.0i C20ne and x20se x 4
2.8tdi x2
2.2i A
2.2i B LWB x3
x22dth B dti lwb x3
y22dth B dti lwb x5
Call Fronty4x4spares on
01622 739908.
Same day dispatch,
next day delivery
on 95% of items.
Region: South East



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby yaki on Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:27 pm

That was my plan, did look for one a while back but failed to find one, did think about using the Pittman arm and shaft off a right hand drive steering box and making one
Soon to be without a Frontera after 10 years of owning one :-(
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Posts: 2315
Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:17 pm
Location: South Wales
Model: 2.8 TDI Sport 3dr
Registration Year: 1996/P
Vehicle Name: Eric
Modifications: A few

Front Winch & Bumper
MR2 Seats
+4" Springs
+4" Rough Country Shocks
Calmini Front Arms
Trooper Front Axle
Front Aussie Locker
Rear Trooper Axle
Rear Aussie Locker
35mm Diff Drop
12mm Ball Joint Spacers
33" Tyres
80mm Body Lift
Extended Axle Breathers
Aisin Manual Hubs
Rear Recovery Bumper
Braided Brake Hoses
EGR System Removed
DeCat
Fuel Tank Lift
Front & Rear Anti-Roll bar removed
Roof Console
EGT/Boost Gauge and Inclinometer in Centre Console
Region: South Wales



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby RatCav on Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:39 pm

Have you asked JEOH (based in Germany) to see if he can get you one. Failing that if you are on the Trooper Owners Club group on FB there are a lot of foreign members who may help.
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My members ride for Leeloo the Lotus Edition viewtopic.php?f=46&t=60154

Deceased

My members ride for Brenda the Bighorn : viewtopic.php?f=46&t=54771
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Posts: 5577
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:20 am
Location: Preston, Lancs.
Vehicle Name: Banshee
Modifications: Its a Frontera that is heavily disguised as a Mk.1 LWB Isuzu Bighorn 2.8TD Lotus Edition.
Hi-roof modification.
EGR valves and birds nest of vacuum pipes removed.
Front Manual Locking Hubs.
Rear Limited Slip Differential.
Yota Surf steels, with custom paintjob. (cheers Gregster)
33x12.5" R15 General Grabber AT 2's.
+2" suspension lift.
+3" body lift.
Cat 1 Thatcham approved alarm.
Irmscher wheel arch flares.
Full body restoration/respray. (cheers Gregster again!)
Region: North West



Re: What is it with Land Rover Drivers and Halfshafts!

Postby Retro Pedro on Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:21 am

I was surprised how 'soft' that CV shaft metal is. A few years back some bar-steward decided to nick one of my manual hubs and forgot to bring their circlip removers. Reckon they chipped the teeth/splines off to get over the problem which left me with the problem of how to secure the clip when the replacement hub was fitted. Simply cut a deeper groove with the axe saw which done the job. What I can't say is if the CV joint was original or aftermarket/copy because the truck was 15 years old when I got it.
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